Irreligion.

January 12, 2008

I haven’t actually had chance to read this particular book, yet (will probably wait for the paperback), but it is definitely going on “the list”.

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Irreligion: A Mathematician Explains Why the Arguments for God Just Don’t Add Up

by John Allen Paulos

From: RichardDawkins.net.This little book just arrived on December 26th, and I must have missed it in the Christmas shuffle.  

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A Lifelong Unbeliever Finds No Reason to Change His Mind

Are there any logical reasons to believe in God? Mathematician and bestselling author John Allen Paulos thinks not. In Irreligion he presents the case for his own worldview, organizing his book into twelve chapters that refute the twelve arguments most often put forward for believing in God’s existence. The latter arguments, Paulos relates in his characteristically lighthearted style, “range from what might be called golden oldies to those with a more contemporary beat. On the playlist are the firstcause argument, the argument from design, the ontological argument, arguments from faith and biblical codes, the argument from the anthropic principle, the moral universality argument, and others.” Interspersed among his twelve counterarguments are remarks on a variety of irreligious themes, ranging from the nature of miracles and creationist probability to cognitive illusions and prudential wagers. Special attention is paid to topics, arguments, and questions that spring from his incredulity “not only about religion but also about others’ credulity.” Despite the strong influence of his day job, Paulos says, there isn’t a single mathematical formula in the book

“John Allen Paulos has done us all a great service. Irreligion is an elegant and timely response to the manifold ignorance that still goes by the name of ‘faith’ in the twenty-first century.”- Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation 

“He’s done it again. John Allen Paulos has written a charming book that takes you on a journey of flawless logic, with simple and clear examples drawn from math, science, and pop culture. At the end, Paulos has left you with plenty to think about, whether you are religious, irreligious, or anything inbetween.”- Neil deGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist, American Museum of Natural History, and author of Death by Black Hole: And Other Cosmic Quandaries 

“For years John Allen Paulos has been our guide for reading newspapers, playing the stock market, and understanding what all those graphs and charts and formulas really mean. No one knows how to dissect an argument better than Paulos. Now he has turned his rapier wit to the grandest question of them all: Is there a God? Those who are religious skeptics will find in Paulos’s analysis new ways of looking at both old and new arguments, and those who believe that God’s existence can be proven through science, reason, and logic will have to answer to this mathematician’s penetrating analysis.”- Michael Shermer, author of How We Believe, The Science of Good and Evil, and Why Darwin Matters

47 Responses to “Irreligion.”


  1. [...] Here’s another interesting post I read today by Gary William Murning Online [...]


  2. Trinity 1×1x1=1

    I’ll have to read it.

  3. garymurning Says:

    That’s what I like about you fundy Creationist types, Selena; you make me look like a mathematical genius. Quite an achievement! ;)


  4. “Despite the strong influence of his day job, Paulos says, there isn’t a single mathematical formula in the book.”

    Ah!

  5. garymurning Says:

    You sound as relieved as me… understandable, I guess, given your difficulty with even basic arithmatic :)


  6. Have you ever read any books by Hugh Ross? I am buying this for you next Christmas after I read it ;-)
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1576835782/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-2435279-4767107#reader-link

  7. Mike Says:

    Looks like an interesting read. I’ll have to get it out when the library has it.

    Hey, Selena: You forgot the egg and shamrock variants.

  8. garymurning Says:

    No, Selena, I haven’t read any HR… but if you’re buying, I’ll certainly give it a go. ;) Then we can “debate” it :)

  9. garymurning Says:

    Yeah, Mike — interesting, indeed. Not that I’m getting much reading done at the mo. Too busy writing! :)

  10. Mike Says:

    I must admit to having stalled a bit on fiction lately; I keep meaning to make more progress on the novel or even on the short story I’m in the middle of, but I keep not doing it. Non-fiction and commentary seem to be the order of the day.

    I’ve just downloaded trothg1.pdf, too, btw, and will give commentary if you want…


  11. Mike~ “You forgot the egg and shamrock variants.” LOL. That’s funny you mention that, I just recently heard the shamrock one, I like the math one way better. Plus I made Gary feel like a math genius.

    Gary~ You would read books by creationist authors if I mailed them to you?!? When you have time to read, send me your mailing address. Mike, if you are interested I would do the same for you.

    Talk to y’all later

  12. garymurning Says:

    Selena — “Plus I made Gary feel like a math genius.” About that. I’m now not sure you did. :) My immediate conclusion was that the Trinity would make more sense as 1+1+1 rather than 1×1x1, but I suppose that wouldn’t add up, would it, from your point of view? 1×1x1 isn’t a Trinity, though, is it, and…

    Oh, gosh, my head hurts. ;)

    I was teasing about the book, hon. I wouldn’t dream of having you spend your hard earned cash. If you want me to read it, though, I’ll get a copy myself and read it — but judging by the excerpt and his fuzzy understanding of the term “evolution”, I think you can expect an interesting discussion afterwards ;)

  13. garymurning Says:

    That would be great, Mike… an American independent (Kunati) has that right now. They read samples and requested the full MS. Still may not go my way, but I’m hoping.

  14. Mike Says:

    OK, I’ve read part 1, and will now continue to read.

    How do you want it..? Email do?

  15. garymurning Says:

    Yeah, email’s fine. Cheers, mate!

  16. Mike Says:

    I shall let you know. I just felt impelled to get going on a story again, so am in full tilt.

  17. garymurning Says:

    No rush. Happy writing!


  18. “1×1×1 isn’t a Trinity, though, is it, and…”

    One represents one set of one in the equation, so each view of God represents a distinct set of one. I married a mathematician. He plays with numbers for a living. What can I say? I have thing for Geek Chic. Serioulsy.

    “I was teasing about the book, hon. I wouldn’t dream of having you spend your hard earned cash.”

    Well, I don’t regret offering, I am willing to put myself out there even if it means REJECTION. And I get it alot, hehe. :-D

  19. garymurning Says:

    “One represents one set of one in the equation, so each view of God represents a distinct set of one. I married a mathematician. He plays with numbers for a living. What can I say? I have thing for Geek Chic. Serioulsy.”

    Well, I would never presume to argue with a mathematician, but… ;)

    Rejection: Well I find that hard to believe. You’re a Creationist and, yet, even a grumpy old evolutionist like me finds you charming ;) And I will read the book, eventually. ‘Onest. If only in a “know thine enemy” kinda way :)


  20. “even a grumpy old evolutionist like me finds you charming.”

    Awwwww.

    *twirls about in her dainty little dress feeling all charming…
    trips on a nearby rock and lands straight on her butt*

  21. Mike Says:

    Gary – emailed. :)

  22. garymurning Says:

    Received, Mike! Cheers. I agree with your assessment (to a frightening degree, actually ;) ) and would even go so far as to say that I found it extremely encouraging. The fundamental problems (relatively few, when your critique is taken as a whole) boil down to one thing, I think; I haven’t yet had the benefit of working through it with a professional editor. Which is why such considered critiques are invaluable.

    Would you like to see the rest? (Feel free to say no.)

    *Picks up Selena and briefly considers dusting off her butt*

  23. Mike Says:

    Spooky. Criticism is good for us – it’s possible to be too close to something to see it objectively, after all. Particularly something so personal as a novel.

    Yes, I’d be interested in seeing the rest. Bang it on over. And I will not use the work printer to make a hard copy. Nuh-uh.

  24. garymurning Says:

    Yup, criticism is indeed good for us — as long as said critic knows his onions, which you clearly do ;)

    Thanks again, mate.

  25. Mike Says:

    Well, you know how much I hate saying that I told you so…

    Wait, no, I LOVE IT! MWAHAHAHA! Ahem.

    Yeah. That’ll be the whole being overeducated and reading lots of books thing. Seriously, I’m educated far, far beyond what I need to be. Mostly my fault, really; autodidacticism gone wild!

  26. Mike Says:

    And seriously, dude! Too many files! Consolidate.


  27. *Picks up Selena and briefly considers dusting off her butt*

    Aww,thanks for picking me up, but I’ll take it from there. I recall reading, and I quote, “Don’t stick your finger in the socket and wiggle it about, cos it’ll sting a bit!” Frankly, that gave me the willies, hehe. I am just messing with ya! :-D

  28. garymurning Says:

    Selena, Selena, Selena… being around Mike is definitely warping your mind, girl :)

    One file per chapter, Mike, always been my way. Most other authors seem to do it that way, too… the ones I know, at least. Not too much of a problem, I hope?

  29. Mike Says:

    Ever the individualist… I like to consolidate into a single manuscript (when I can actually do anything on the novel).

  30. garymurning Says:

    Incidentally, what’s your nov about?

  31. Mike Says:

    I have several stored in my head, but this one is a scifi-ish rewrite of Arthurian legend, sort of in the mould of Zelazny’s Lord of Light.

  32. garymurning Says:

    I’ve never really attempted anything like that… sounds fascinating, though. How are you approaching it? Huge, detailed outlines or just diving in?

  33. Mike Says:

    Yes.

    Hehehe…

    I have a rough outline which I flesh out when approaching it. It’s been on the back burner a while, tbh; I’ll never forget the story, though. I have it whole and entire in my brain.

  34. garymurning Says:

    Actually, that “yes” makes a lot of sense. It suggests a flexible approach. Always a good thing.

    “I have it whole and entire in my brain.” That explains a lot ;)

  35. Mike Says:

    Believe me, there are at least five hanging around in there.

  36. garymurning Says:

    Then get your thumb out your ass and write, dammit! ;)


  37. I have a creative writing piece, it’s not a fancy novel, but a poem :-D

    lucid wings

    Catastrophic calloused analysis
    clairvoyant bells are ringing
    tip toe round these broken pieces
    while violins continue singing

    precarious puzzled uncertainty
    this I know
    hearing you is knowing me
    i know us

    delusions deluded conclusion
    make believe is real
    it’s how i feel (i want to feel)
    dancing on unseen clouds with you
    no void here
    surreal

    playfully passionate afterglow
    completion is our halo
    connected by lucid wings
    transparent and serene

    contented countenance in denial
    can we dream a little while
    tip toe round these broken pieces
    while violins continue singing?

    I hear them singing
    bells are ringing
    a clairvoyant soul is screaming…

    I hear them singing
    bells are ringing
    a clairvoyant soul is screaming…

    I hear them singing
    bells are ringing
    a clairvoyant soul is screaming…

    WAKE UP
    I choose to dream

    Selena Parsley~ 2002

  38. garymurning Says:

    Selena! I need to read this a few times more to get to the heart of it but… it’s really good. Do you still write?


  39. Some “catastrophic” events in my life lead me to delve into a type of escapism. I was choosing to live outside of my reality even though I knew it would lead to destruction. That was a very dark period. I wrote more things when I was a child, a very melancholic, lonely child. I am so different now. Sometimes I think, “Who was that sad little girl?” And then certain circumstances may arrive and in my response I quickly remember, she is still there.
    Have a good weekend! :-D

  40. garymurning Says:

    Did the writing help?

    Enjoy your weekend, too!


  41. Yes! The proverbial “writing is cathartic” spill.

    When did you start writing?

  42. garymurning Says:

    I started writing novels about 21 years ago 8-0 but I always wrote from about 7 onwards, on and off. I was an only child with and imagination that kept me busy creating even when I didn’t write :)

  43. Selena Says:

    I am a mom of an only child and a creative one at that!! :-D

    I have an idea for a novella, but I would never commit to writing it myself, but here’s the plot idea: (Hopefully it’s never been done.)

    This man grows an online community with about seven different faithful “on-line friends.” Each character brings something interesting and unique to the “cyber community.” Little things play out that would keep reader’s interest and everyone can relate to each of the characters (typical.) At the end of the story, the reader discovers that this man’s small, faithful, thriving community was really made up by his multiple personalities…

  44. garymurning Says:

    You should write it. It’s good.

    The whole Net culture thing is something I’ve considered writing about, actually. I’ve been online for over ten years now and had a fair few adventures ;) Seems silly to waste them.

    Have you read Julian Dibbell’s My Tiny Life? Fascinating (especially since I inhabited LambdaMOO for a while… very weird ‘place’!)

  45. Selena Says:

    I am judging the book by the cover, and ooooh, I am going to have to get that! That looks very weird!!

  46. garymurning Says:

    It’s essentially an account of his time spent in a text-based online world called a MOO (MUD Object Oriented — a “MUD” being a Multi-User Dungeon/Domain.) It covers the internal politics/dynamics, the schisms, the (ahem) “relationships” etc in a very intelligent and thorough way. Well worth a read.


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